Tag: English Kip Hide


Dyneema, Integrated Falls and my thoughts


Dyneema, I bought a roll of this about 5 maybe 6 years back and experimented with it for making crackers, you can make a cracker out of it and yes it bangs but not any better or worse than anything already out there and used to make crackers, as always with these blogs of mine they are my opinions, my best advice is always to experiment for yourselves and make your own minds up, first paragraph and already I digress, grrrrr, stay on topic. so back to crackers, Dyneema I pretty much dismissed and put it out of my mind, for crackers those that are interested I think bonded nylon thread is best for a good all round cracker and if you are looking to give the folks near by you a rest from the ear ache you’ve given them then a bit of nylon string, a £1.00 a roll at B&Q, Homebase, Jewsons, Wickes and the like, this gives a nice low pop so you know you have the crack right technically without blowing ear drums. Once more just my opinion.


More recently Dyneema has raised its head again and come to my attention, A recent thing the integrated fall, I say recent its not new by any stretch of the imagination, The Ozzies have been plaiting in a wallaby fall to the end of a Kangaroo hide stock whip for decades, it doesn’t look the best I don’t think but is about durability as opposed to aesthetics, the modern take on it is to wax multiple lengths of Dyneema and plait it in, I have to say it’s a much smoother transition than a change of leather and does very much get rid of the lump in the whip which is caused when hitching on a fall in the traditional way, whips as we all know are about taper, taper, taper so that in itself is a very good thing. However I had unlike me without some experimenting pretty much dismissed it, the reason being I have a friend Matt who has a pair of 4 foot Kangaroo Hide bullwhips with Dyneema falls, he has a love, hate relationship with them, catch him at the right moment I think you could get them off him for a tenner, on a good day indoors he loves them, the one thing he is consistent about is that the price he paid for them was massively over the top and he wouldn’t pay it again, anyway, I digress again I have had a go on them, didn’t like them at all and over the last several years have had numerous conversations about them with him, hence my dismissal, bloody hell that was long winded.So last year I met a guy called Chris from Alpha Whips he makes synthetic whips as opposed to leather, Dyneema on synthetic made much more sense to me and after a trip to the local fiends with him and his bag of goodies I was convinced that Dyneema and nylon or Dacron were quite possibly a partnership that ought to be married. I was so impressed I ordered a whip off him with a Dyneema fall and it hangs on the wall of my workshop, it’s used often I really like it and the way it handles, what a dilemma I have in recent weeks had to revisit the whole subject, grrrrrr!



Anyway, my experimentation thus far, I have totally dismissed Dyneema, I’ve never been one to follow the crowd, the idea of having to wax it when there are so many strings and threads out there ready waxed just didn’t make sense to me at all, I make whips commercially so time is always a factor for me, I have settled on a waxed poly and it is working out very well, I start at 12 plait and work it down to 4 plait to form a loop at the end, I have done 2 synthetic whips in Dacron, I loved the transition, or lack of transition and the performance too, unfortunately they are both in all black so the pictures I have give very little detail, bit daft of me that but hey over all the experiment worked so I am happy….I have also done one in Kip and i must admit i am quite shocked at how well it works, I can’t bring myself to do a kangaroo one, I don’t know if I ever will, unless a bespoke order comes in for one, time will tell, so the point of the blog is to say if you want an integrated fall on your whip, you have but to say when ordering, at some point I will adjust my site to say so but I’m currently working on my synthetic range so no point right now as very soon it is all to change, thats a blog for another day…


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Happy New Year

Super quick blog just to say a Happy New Year to everyone, in 2017 I’ll be back on my A game, thanks to all for a great 2016!

Drum Stuffed vs Dry Leather


Well these are often asked questions, What is the difference? Which is better? Just to throw the spanner in the works, I use both, I’ll now answer the second question first, it really is a matter of personal preference and by the time you have finished reading hopefully you’ll have enough info to make your own mind up.

Drum stuffed Leather

This is from Packers a tannery in Australia and is what is in essence is a process the leather is put through once its finished being dyed etc…a hide is covered in tallow, or sheep fat and another placed on top and another and another, a bit like stacking slices of buttered bread I guess is as good a way to describe it as any. The hides are then placed in a barrel or drum that rotates over a fire pit, the heat melts the fat turning it to liquid which is sucked into the hide, after a long period of time the hides are taken from the barrel or drum and put through set of revolving poles, imagine a mangle they used to use many years back to squeeze the water from your clothing, like that but many sets as opposed to just the one. What this does is force the liquid fat into the fibre of the hide and as the mangles are set it also makes the hide an even thickness. Once the heat is removed the liquid again solidifies making a very greasy hide, that in essence is drum stuffed.

Dry Leather

This needs much less explanation, this is a hide that has either been left natural or dyed and once dried is ready to be sold, some dependent on where they are destined have a finish added but us whip makers shellac so buy unfinished and finish them ourselves.

So quite a big difference on the face of it, but in the whip making process near no difference at all. I’ll run you through it so you can make your own minds up.


As you can see from the picture above there are parts of a Kangaroo hide that are better than others that’s not to say that the other parts are not good leather just that they are not the best for plaiting a fine overlay with, the stuff round the outside usually is great for making shot bags, end caps under knots, bolsters and that sort of thing, very little of a kangaroo hide goes to waste.
Here comes the first of many differences, on a dry hide this is very easy to feel and see, on a drum stuffed one the leather appears even and all good. A novice might be tempted to thing the leather was good for a fine overlay, often whip makers refer to this as false leather Just saying…

So with a dry skin, I get them out the night before I’m going to use them and give them a generous coat of leather dressing and let that soak in over night. Grease added, Just saying….

The next day I come in to start making the whip, trim the hide, make a shot bag, bolster it, then cut some strings for a belly plait, strings are cut over size, greased with leather dressing, (more grease added, just saying) then stretched, resized and as I’m plaiting them I add leather dressing which I use in place of plaiting soap, grease added, just saying…..

The final bolster, heavily greased is added, grease added, just saying….

Cut the strings for the overlay, over sized, leather dressing applied, then stretched, resized, bevelled and tapered and split for a nice even lace both width and depth, then greased again with leather dressing and ready to plait…more grease added, just saying…..

With a drum stuffed hide the leather is pretty greasy already so whilst you might use a bit of grease to plait with you certainly have no need to apply the amount of grease that you do to a dry hide, you’ll find an almost even split of those for drum stuffed and those against with a lot like myself who use both…

My Opinion

And it is just that, my opinion……

I pretty much drum stuff my dry leather myself by the time I’m finished, I have done this as an experiment put two whips side by side and asked a man with many many years of whip experience to pick which is which, they can’t and neither can I on an finished whip. So it is personal preference thing.

A couple of foot notes, dry skins are available in many more colours than drum stuffed hides, drum stuffing adds much weight to a hide so if your in the UK that will make them much more expensive as the postage goes up because of the weight so then in turn does the import duty and the V.A.T, on a parcel of say 50 hides the difference is considerable.

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